Christian Maaß (BMWK): In der Krise Weg ebnen für Zukunft jenseits Öl und Gas

Christian Maaß, Abteilungsleiter im Bundesministerium für Wirtschaft und Klimaschutz (BMWK), dort unter anderem für die Wärmewende verantwortlichFoto: BMWK
Christian Maaß, im Ministerium von Robert Habeck für die Wärmewende verantwortlich, ist überzeugt, dass trotz akuten Krisenmanagements schon Weichen in Richtung Klimaschutz gestellt werden konnten.
Christian Maaß leitet im Bundesministerium für Wirtschaft und Klimaschutz die Abteilung II für Wärme, Wasserstoff und Effizienz. Der Jurist wurde nach dem Regierungswechsel von Robert Habeck ins Ministerium geholt. Zuvor war er als Mitgründer 10 Jahre lang einer der Geschäftsführer des Hamburg Instituts. Im Solarthemen-Interview spricht Maaß über die Organisation der Wärmewende in turbulenten Zeiten.

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