Vogel und Priggen: Es geht um das Klima

Hans-Josef Vogel (l.) und Reiner Priggen (r.)Foto: LEE NRW / Jochen Tack
Hans-Josef Vogel (l.) und Reiner Priggen (r.)
Hans-Josef Vogel hat Reiner Priggen als Vorsitzenden des Landesverbandes Erneuerbare Energien NRW (LEE) abgelöst. Priggen (Bündnis 90/Die Grünen), der viele Jahre Landtagsabgeordneter war, führte den LEE ab 2016. Vogel (CDU) war von 2017 bis 2022 Regierungspräsident von Arnsberg und zuvor Bürgermeister der Stadt Arnsberg. Die Solarthemen sprachen mit ihnen über das Energiewendeklima.

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